Well said .. Pat .. Only when security is a secret .. does NO ONE HAVE ANY .. I get paid to keep my gear secure .. taxpayers spend a lot for me to do that .. when his/her/your system is not secure .. I HAVE A PROBLEM .. WE ALL HAVE A PROBLEM .. All for free enterprise .. BUT LETS NOT ALL SHOOT OUR SELVES IN THE FOOT... just to keep a few folks very rich. + efb@suned1.nswses.Navy.MIL efb@gcpacix.uucp efb@gcpacix.cotdazr.org + + efb@nosc.mil WA6CRE Gold Coast Sun Users Vta-SB-SLO DECUS gnu + + Opinions, MINE, NOT Uncle_s | WWW b-news postmaster xntp dns WAFFLE +